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Anonymous raged 1 month ago —— Alright, first thing's first: I'm not the proverbial angry 17 year old who wants his parents to treat him like an adult because legal adulthood is only a few months away, nor am I the eternal college student who is going to school part time on his parents dime, partying and refusing to get a job. I'm 21, almost 22, paying my own way through college, and living at home because my parents, as long as I can remember, have told me that I would be welcome at home as long as I was either going to school full time (in which case I would not have to pay rent, although my college tuition was another story), or fresh out of college and trying to earn enough money to put a deposit on an apartment (in which case I would have to pay a minimal amount of rent.) The problem is, because I am not completely financially independent (apparently going to school full time isn't enough for them -- although it wasn't in my Sophomore year, either, when I was going full time /and/ working a job for 10-20 hours a week depending on how many hours my boss had assigned me and how many other employees' shifts I was able to cover for when they had to take a day off for whatever reason), they are incapable of seeing me as an adult.

What's more, my mother is incapable of accepting that sometimes I have a different opinion than her. She has taken to slapping me when I yell back after she escalates into a screaming match what was a peaceful conversation until I started talking about ideas that she disagrees with. This in a family that was very much devoted to the ideals of the first amendment throughout my childhood -- and when the ideas that I disagree with her on are things like professional codes of ethics prohibiting word getting out that said professionals are actually human, and while they may be held to a higher standard than most people, that standard can no longer be so high that the only way anybody can reach it is to live a dual life, impossibly perfect in public, surprisingly human (though not necessarily /bad/ -- just human) in private. The internet alone would have been enough to kill that paradigm; social networking sites have dug up the corpse, brought it back as a zombie, and put it down a second time. Yet the official line from the people in charge of teaching about and working with those codes of ethics is "if you can do it, don't have any social networking accounts. If you can't, lock 'em down and then sanitize both your posts and your own friends list to avoid getting fired." And she gets mad when I start talking about just how demonstrably /wrong/ this is. Yeah, that makes sense.

At any rate, I was able to begrudgingly accept this while I still had yet to move out of the house. My first couple of years of college weren't exactly pleasant -- I took on as many hours as possible at work just so I could get out of the house, and I made every effort I could to stay on campus for school, because I had friends there who didn't get angry at me for wanting to spend time enjoying myself instead of spending every spare minute cleaning a house that somehow never gets clean -- but I only knew what it was like not to have controlling parents from what I had observed of my friends. It was when I finished my associate's degree, and moved on to university that I realized how wonderful it was to live in a place where yes, I may have had some responsibilities, but I also had a lot of freedom, and, importantly, I was the equal of the people sharing my living space, rather than their subordinate. When I came back home for my final internship, which is supposed to be the last part of my degree before I actually go out and get a job, the trouble really began. While I don't expect my parents to treat me as their absolute equal when I'm eating their food rent free, I can't believe it would kill them not to see every little bit of resistance to their absolute authoritarian control as me being a rebellious teenager, or worse, a petulant child.

My mother loves to go on guilt trips about how when she was my age, she had already been married for several years, and how I don't even have a job. When I reply with the (valid) point that I'm in a catch 22 situation where I have no car because I have no job, and no job because I have no car (rural area, the bus line doesn't run out this far, and I was only able to hold down the job I had my sophomore year because it was at the college I was attending), she and dad both get angry at me for what they see as always finding a way to pin the blame for my problems on them. Mom is the one who get's pissed at me at the drop of a hat. Dad is generally reasonable, but he always backs her up, never me, and it really makes him angry if I do anything that either one of them see as "disrespecting" the mother who refuses to respect me enough to let me have my own bloody opinions. It is so frustrating to be in this situation, and to not even have anyone I can vent to about it -- because, you see, if I'm home long enough for this to be an issue, it mean's I'm actually at home, where my primary means of communication with my friends is Facebook. My mom and sister are both on my Facebook friends list, and even if I were to block them from seeing it, I'd have to block pretty much anyone who might have a chance of bringing it back to them. Get the idea? That's why I'm typing this here, instead of telling someone I trust. There is literally nobody I can tell this to. They're either too far away for me to tell them in person, or family from an older generation where it was possible to move out at 18 and make a better living (in real dollars) than I'm likely to make after getting my freakin' bachelor's degree, and that's in a field where the degree actually leads to a job, instead of just another degree or two.

And I mentioned cleaning earlier. For my entire life, the only time I've ever been allowed to sleep past 10:00 in the morning was if I was sick or if my parents had just randomly decided that they were going to let me sleep in -- which happened about two or three times a year. More often than not, they start screaming at me to get out of bed somewhere between 8:30 and 9:30 (this is all on days when I had no school or work, either during the Summer, on a holiday, or during the weekends/my day off from work (when I was working on Saturdays during the Summer between my Sophomore and Junior year of college.) Why did they make me do this? To clean the house. You see, we have a house that was reasonably sized when it was built almost 30 years ago, during a time when people had less stuff cluttering up the place. By today's standards, it's actually sonewhat small. As a result, it never stays clean for more than an hour or two; there's just more of everything than there is a place for it, so everything is rarely in its place. So we spend every waking moment trying to get this place clean, or if it is clean, embarking on some home improvement task that may need doing, but not at the expense of ever having free time that isn't associated with an away-from-the-home vacation, like a trip to the beach or a camping trip (which is a brief, once a year affair; vacations are nice, but knowing how to relax when you can't physically get away is a lot more important to avoiding a stress triggered stroke or heart attack than taking the occasional vacation is.). It got even worse after coming home from College. Because my internship proper starts a week after everyone else had gone back to school or work, my parents actually told me that they expect me to put in as many hours cleaning the house as the rest of the family does outside of the house. Nevermind the fact that two hours or so a day is all it needs, and those two hours have no reason to be first thing in the morning aside from my parents not wanting to see it when they get home (odd thing about cleaning the house: it may not stay clean, but one person can get all of the communal space in the house clean in about two hours, if he isn't spending so much time being nagged that he can't actually work. Four people can do it even more quickly, but good luck ever getting all four of us to actually do housework at the same time.)

And you know what the worst part of all of this is? My parents think I'm an absolute lazy bum, just because I make worse grades in college as a student who actually has friends and enjoys spending time with them, let alone doing anything for fun on my own, than my mother, who as a non traditional student spent literally all of the time that she wasn't driving one of her children someplace studying,, and made straight A's as a result. She actually started making fun of me when I made my first /B/, let alone when I failed a class that I knew from the second week I couldn't handle that term, but was stuck with because the State legislature changed my main scholarship so that I had to pay back the tuition on any class I dropped after the first week, and I didn't realize until it was too late that I needed to drop it. And yes, I have a problem with procrastination. It's a result of a guilt complex I'm going to eventually have to go to therapy for, because as a small child I learned that I got punished less if I avoided doing something I didn't want to by doing essentially nothing than I did if I got caught doing something I actually wanted to, like playing a videogame or watching Tv. Even though I recognize this is what's going on, I've internalized it to the point that I can't just stop doing it, and as a result, I waste a lot of my time, doing neither what I have to do nor what I want to do, just aimlessly surfing the web or puttering around the house.

Getting back on topic, the go-to threat from my mother is (and has been since I was 16, her selective memory to the contrary) to kick me out of the house, which at 16 would have involved moving in with my Grandma (who lives on social security and for a good chunk of my life hasn't even had a car), and today would leave me homeless (because, you see, that's the situation I'm in right now. Grandma moved to another state a while back, although she wants to come back sometime soon, so If they kick me out, I get to be homeless and not only work my way up from being penniless and carless in a rural area, I'll actually be starting with less than nothing, because of my student loan debt, which is minimal compared to most students [I've only taken out loans for room and board, with the possibility of using my loans from this term to buy a junker so I can finally get some freedom], but still makes it impossible for me to support myself if I get kicked out of the house before I finish my degree.) I feel completely trapped, with the only light at the end of the tunnel being the hope that I get a job upon graduation, and manage to get an apartment, and I don't even care if it's a shithole at this point; I seriously doubt having a place to myself can be worse than what I've got right now, no matter how rough the neighborhood is. And I have to say, writing this has been the most therapeutic thing I've ever done. It just makes me sad that I can't say any of this to my parents' faces until after I'm on my own and able to support myself, for fear of making them mad enough to wind up with me homeless. Even posting it here, completely anonymous, is a risk. But I had to write it, and I couldn't just delete something I'd poured my heart into like this. I can't keep a copy on my computer (again, because I'm afraid of what would happen if they ever found this), but I hope others in my situation see this and realize they aren't alone, because I know I sure as hell feel like it sometimes, especially when the advice I see for others in a similar situation pretty much boils down to "man up, get a job, and quit mooching off your parents." If this is mooching, especially in this economy, I'd hate to hear what people like that call people who live on welfare, instead of, you know, going to college and trying to get a job that allows them to be independent of their parents.
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  •     Anonymous  1 month ago
    If anyone actually reads this whole thing, thank you. Whether it gets read or not, at least I got to write it, which is something I've needed to do for a long time now.

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  •     Anonymous  1 month ago
    My parents would love you, I read the entire post. In every dark cloud there's a silver lining; finish college, get your degree, find a decent job and get the fuck out of there. Until then....listen. Do what they say and remember that in whatever amount of months you won't have to wake up before 10 (except for work) and you'll finally be free. Oh yeah, since you dont have thst many student loans consider getting a car. You're 21/22, man! If you get tired of their bullshit hop in your car and stay at a hotel for a weekend or something, just be mature about it.

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  •     Bnonymous  1 month ago
    Your environment is toxic and you're going to have to work harder than you think it to be possible, to get out on your own. Know that working hard makes the results more gratifying. Move out and away from your parents home. It probably means going to school full-time and working close to full-time AND taking out student loans, but that's what you need to do. With your student loans, buy yourself that junker you've been dreaming about. Find yourself a studio apartment with cheap rent. You only need something small for yourself. Get a job waiting tables in the evening, you'll be able to make enough to cover your bills. Use your student loan money to pay for your tuition, books and other school expenses. If you have money left over from that, you can apply it to your life expenses. You need to adapt yourself towards being able to work hard. If you don't have a good work ethic, then your degree will be frivolous. In life, you can't wait for things to happen. You have to make it happen. No matter how discouraging or hopeless you may feel your situation to be, always find something to be thankful for, no matter what. And find comfort in knowing someone always has it worse than you. In this situation, be very thankful you don't have other mouths to feed, other than your own. Moving out and completely fending for yourself will give you a sense of pride and will make your parents proud of you. Don't expect things to go smooth from here on out, because life's a bumpy ride. Good luck to you in your endeavors.

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  •     Arenaria  1 month ago
    Ok, you are not going to like what I have to say.... I read through your entire post, and it sounds like a lot of double talk! 1. You have over-analyzed stuff to the 'enth degree, when your situation obviously is quite simple.

    By your own admission, you tend to procrastinate, you don't think your parents see that too? What kind of parents would they be, if they saw this flaw in your behavior and did nothing to try and eradicate it? You may be very articulate kiddo, but not to smart. Perhaps it is not so much your opposing opinion your mother resents, but rather your general attitude and presentation. Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe you do NOT know everything? Stop relishing in the sound of your own voice and perhaps take some time and try to listen to their opinions. Yeap, you are educated, I can see that. But I can also see that you have fallen into a common problem of the 20 something crowd. In your attempt to leave the left side of thinking (your parents side)...and be the new "Bohemian, open minded, free thinker", you have gone to far to the right, and become closed minded. I see it time and time again. Closed , is closed, no matter which side of the issue you fall on. Walk the talk.and SHOW them you are mature and have common sense!

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  •     Anonymous  1 month ago
    @Arenaria: Bohemian nothing. This is about respect, which she does not understand is a mutual deal, and on her end at least, it's about control: no longer being able to control her child. Plus, how on earth is believing that proffessional codes of ethics shouldn't be getting into getting into private matters unless they're illegal or they have direct bearing on job performance "conservative?" It's the conservative mores they embody that bother me, conservative mores that I was raised, frankly, to abhor. Her problem there is that she's in the process of joining a professional organization with similar rules to the one I'm in the process of joining, and whereas I see many of the rules as pointless and outdated, she sees them as absolutely necessary. Hell, I went to an ethics training session with about 200 other people yesterday, and every last one of them complained about several of the rules, /because they're that ridiculously conservative/. Like, Fred Phelps couldn't have an issue with them conservative. As for my mom, she's frankly reacting to both this and the stuff she talks about in her "you don't know anything about the real world" speeches like a hazing victim who, after the abuse, values the group they joined even more -- including the hazing itself. As for procrastination, yes, it can be a problem. But I'm still doing well enough in my classes that I'll be graduating on time, at least if the school manages to fix its mixup (long story, but there was a miscommunication between departments and now I'm waiting to find out if I can get back into my internship, which they cancelled due to said miscommunication. The school has admitted the mistake and taken care of everything on their end, but whether the place that I'll be interning at will be able to take me back is another question. Beauracracy: you gotta love it.) Anyway, the point is that I may have a tendency to procrastinate, but the way they react, you'd think instead of just that, I wasn't even attempting to work or go to school, which I most definitely am. I don't even think the procrastination is the main reason they're acting that way; it's just another way of keeping control.

    @Everyone else: Thank you. I know this is going to be hard. The good news is, at the orientation I went to yesterday, they told us that most of us would be walking out with jobs lined up, and some may even be permitted to graduate a few weeks or even months early if they do so well that they are hired on the spot, rather than asked to finish the internship instead. I was surprised to hear that even the career I'm going to still hires that freely, but at least I have a goal to work towards: do as well as I can in this internship, and with any luck I'll have a job lined up before I even finish it. A job that, even at starting pay, should be enough to support myself modestly.

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  •     Bnonymous  1 month ago
    As annoying and irrational as your Mom may seem, it might be valuable and beneficial for you to realize her position and standpoint. Arenaria has a very valid point. Of course you want her to treat and respect you as an adult and no longer as a child. That's completely valid and understandable. I have to sadly say that, many Mothers have a hard time reevaluating and evolving their roles as Mothers. This might be the case with your own. But in her defense, you DO still live at home. You're not working your ass off providing for your whole family and paying all the bills, where as your parents are. As frustrated as you are that you're not getting the respect you think you deserve, they're equally frustrated that they have a 20 something old child living at home. You have to admit that a lot people your age who are also going to school, are also working their ass off and paying their own bills. They probably ultimately wish that you would take the same route, instead of having to still rely on them, when you rightfully shouldn't. I'm not trying to make you feel like shit, or knock you down. I'm trying to shed light on an alternative perspective, that might help you grow in your situation.

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